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August 5th, 2003


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06:33 am - Silly middle child
I find myself trying to act as a peace-maker, again. I have friends on both sides of the gun issue plaguing my social group currently. My personal feelings are that firearms are immoral and yet I maintain friendships with very pro-gun people both here and in other parts of the country. (Hi revjohn!)

Part of me thinks I must have some sort of emotional deficiency if I don't get worked up one way or another on issues like these. Heck, I don't get worked up about anything that I can think of. Certainly not for any length of time that would make people act irrationally back at me.

Perhaps growing up with people more volatile than myself taught me to remain calm as a defense mechanism that has now become a core part of my being. Very zen; I remain still while the world rushes around me.
Current Mood: calmcalm
Current Music: Let's Not Belong--Paul Westerberg--Mono(Grandpa Boy)

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From:sraun
Date:August 5th, 2003 07:52 am (UTC)
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I feel pretty much the same way about the situation - except that I come down on the side of guns on a philosophical / rights basis. I'd rather have people carrying guns than have a right restricted.

But it is being rather stressful, isn't it?

Any ideas on things we could do about it?
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From:dreamshark
Date:August 5th, 2003 08:20 am (UTC)

What to Do?

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Ignore it. It's a tempest in a teapot stoked by people who like to stir things up.
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From:jbru
Date:August 5th, 2003 08:49 am (UTC)

Re: What to Do?

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The problem with ignoring it is that it appears to be harming others and the community at large and the people involved show no signs of stopping. Yes, the latest natter conflagration is a teapot tempest, but I think it's a symptom of a bigger problem.
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From:dreamshark
Date:August 5th, 2003 09:32 am (UTC)

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Note that it is the DISCUSSION of guns and gun-carrying that is (potentially) harming the club, not the guns. Usually I think that more communication is a good thing, but sometimes the reverse is true.
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From:jbru
Date:August 5th, 2003 10:12 am (UTC)

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Actually, I think that, rather than the communication itself that is harming the club, it is, as it is so often recently, the implementation of the communication that is harming the club.
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From:laurel
Date:August 5th, 2003 09:41 am (UTC)

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I don't see it as a tempest in a teacup, I see it as way more serious than that.

Just because some of the parties involved (especially in the discussions on natter) are the sort who like to stir things up-- doesn't mean there isn't a very serious issue at the core. (The issue isn't "guns," the issue is how that issue has been handled by the Minicon co-chairs and the Minn-StF Board).

Anyway. Don't want to get into an argument here, just pointing out that at least for some of us, this is serious stuff. Oh that it were just a tempest in a teacup which I could ignore!

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From:sraun
Date:August 5th, 2003 09:54 am (UTC)

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I'd love to.

Unfortunately, I have allowed myself to be put in a position where that choice is denied. As a member of the Board, I feel that I have to keep track of what the club membership is currently concerned about in relation to the club.

There are times when I wish my ethics would let me unsubscribe from natter like Laura and Larry did. But it won't.
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From:dreamshark
Date:August 5th, 2003 11:08 am (UTC)

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Well, as a member of the club, what I would like you to do as a Board member is ignore the issue. What I would like you to do as publisher of Einblatt is add "No guns" to the meeting listings of meeting hosts who ask you to do so.

Hope that helps. :-)
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From:jbru
Date:August 5th, 2003 08:46 am (UTC)
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I agree with you regarding rights. My ideal, which I accept is irrational and impossible, would be that firearms didn't exist. Failing that I simply choose to not own any.

It is a bit stressful and I think it is having long-term bad effects on the club.

My approach so far has been to suggest ways in which to defuse the arguments. Fans have always disagreed about some things, if we can just keep them from driving away others because of their disagreements I'd be happy.

I think Geri's recent posts to natter about exploring the "new etiquette" have been helpful as they have provided a way to explore the topic of how to handle having a social engagement when some of your guests might be carrying firearms in a non-confrontational manner.
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From:jbru
Date:August 5th, 2003 02:45 pm (UTC)
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I think we are in about the same boat in terms of not picking sides. I have friends on both "sides" of this issue and hope to keep them. The one thing that I do have that you may not is a long-standing preference to not having guns in my home. So now I find myself in the awkward position of making some people that I would normally welcome into my home unwelcome because this issue has brought that preference to light. (I still welcome the people, but because they don't want to go against my preference, they feel unwelcome. And then there are those that feel unwelcome because by announcing my preference I'm being somewhat exclusionary even if they don't carry firearms. I can't win, it seems.)
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From:jbru
Date:August 5th, 2003 08:16 pm (UTC)
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Hmm. I'll consider that. Joel is a friend of mine and he and I have been corresponding off-list about this topic. (And I've corresponded with others about it off-list as well.)
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